Set of high DR domains (mainly in the 40's / 50's)

Marek said:
Yes this is illegal - you can't promote foreign, non registered casinos to UK traffic.
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But it's Google, who shows these websites in their SERPs for users with UKs ips.

If it's an illegal query, it would have been banned on that level, no?
 
dn said:
But it's Google, who shows these websites in their SERPs for users with UKs ips.

If it's an illegal query, it would have been banned on that level, no?
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Thats not how it works at all, Google don't ban search queries but they will kick individual illegal results out of them. You might want to look up information on something that would be illegal to buy/use or whatever. Or the NHS might have self harm pages on that topic etc that would be good to rank.

If anyone wants to see, if you're in UK google "non gamstop casinos" then scroll to bottom.

In response to a legal request submitted to Google, we have removed 2 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may read more about the request at LumenDatabase.org.

Google will kill individual results but don't appear to be pro-active in doing that.
 
Jeff said:
Would you go so far as to say that it's organised crime that is buying these domains?
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By definition, yes.

Its definitely criminal and its definitely organised and well funded.

I doubt its the mafia though, prob just a couple of nerds in a bedroom somewhere (with a handful of Ferraris outside :D )
 
Now sure how fair it is discussing and naming specific domains while they’re being sold.

Is it not better to just to discuss this as a topic.
 
I think if someones doing something so blatantly illegal with drops that it might bring the whole thing down on everyones heads it's fair game to discuss it. But it's not my forum I dont make the rules.

Something this big/bad could have repercussions with drops ongoing if it goes left. If anyone at Nom was looking for an excuse to do something about the current drop situation, this would be a lovely chance wouldn't it.
 
Marek said:
If anyone at Nom was looking for an excuse to do something about the current drop situation, this would be a lovely chance wouldn't it.
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By going to there plan B - an auction style system, domains would still be bought.
 
Marek said:
Thats not how it works at all, Google don't ban search queries but they will kick individual illegal results out of them.
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Kinda weird the authorities are not blacklisting domains of these casinos (which they can easily do), instead hunting for search results referring to them or for their affiliate pages.

Apparently "the enforcement" is already contacting Nominet to block some of these seo domains helping with rankings, as I've seen a few of those sold recently to be already suspended. So when they promote these casinos to "non gamstop casino" queries making it illegal, if they target for more generic terms, like 'foreign casino' keywords instead - it should no longer a problem, as it's not illegal for UK residents to register in overseas online casinos, from what I am reading. These hard-core gamstop gamblers probably convert the best, but even a regular casino player referred would still be worthwhile.

Overall seems the government agencies do not have much clue in what they are doing. It’s hard to imagine that those searching for 'non-gamstop casinos' and failing to find what they want wouldn’t rephrase their searches to look for foreign casinos not subject to UK regulations -- casinos that are likely to ignore the UK's stop-lists. Should be pretty obvious for a determined seeker.
 
dn said:
Apparently "the enforcement" is already contacting Nominet to block some of these seo domains helping with rankings, as I've seen a few of those sold recently to be already suspended.
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I'd be amazed in Nominet got involved in that in any depth to be honest. They've most likely reached out to the buyers and suspended them until they can confirm the registrants address.

On the CEO call on Thursday, Nominet's CEO said they were unlikely to act without a Court order on legal issues. Nominet are determined to stay out of the squabbles, which I think it right.

The link thing would be madness for them to try and use as grounds to take a domain down. As we've all said, it's not illegal or unlawful to link to a third party website. They can block all the sites they want, but if an individual wants to gamble, they will find a way. They won't stop until they decide to stop. No amount of blocking domains or blocking casinos is going to do anything.
 
GreyWing said:
I'd be amazed in Nominet got involved in that in any depth to be honest. They've most likely reached out to the buyers and suspended them until they can confirm the registrants address.
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It's happening. I am amazed and shocked, at how frivolously Nominet is suspending domains now.
I've seen several domains suspended for no conceivable reason, except for being ranked for previously discussed gambling queries.
I do not think they are using fake registrant details on those names, but I'll ask the owner to avoid any speculation.

But what Nominet has also done to one of my client's domains is suspending it for a perceived risk (" a very high risk to life" as they said) that it can be used for such purposes (when in reality it is a totally made up BS). This requires a separate post and I'll do it once I get some time and going also to pick a fight with Nominet about it, as it's getting beyond ridiculous. Nanny state at it's worst.
 
dn said:
It's happening. I am amazed and shocked, at how frivolously Nominet is suspending domains now.
I've seen several domains suspended for no conceivable reason, except for being ranked for previously discussed gambling queries.
I do not think they are using fake registrant details on those names, but I'll ask the owner to avoid any speculation.

But what Nominet has also done to one of my client's domains is suspending it for a perceived risk (" a very high risk to life" as they said) that it can be used for such purposes (when in reality it is a totally made up BS). This requires a separate post and I'll do it once I get some time and going also to pick a fight with Nominet about it, as it's getting beyond ridiculous. Nanny state at it's worst.
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I've asked on the Nominet forum too

I’m hearing stories of .co.uk and .uk’s possibly being suspended due to the sites they are linking too. I’m hearing that this has happened to a number of names recently.

The scenario being painted is that expired domains with backlink profiles are being caught, sold to third parties who then place links on them to third party sites such as gambling. Those outbound links are seemingly enough to get the domain suspended.

Can anyone confirm if this is really what is happening?
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I'm shocked if this is the case, especially after what I think I heard on the call on Thursday.
 
dn said:
It's happening. I am amazed and shocked, at how frivolously Nominet is suspending domains now.
I've seen several domains suspended for no conceivable reason, except for being ranked for previously discussed gambling queries.
I do not think they are using fake registrant details on those names, but I'll ask the owner to avoid any speculation.

But what Nominet has also done to one of my client's domains is suspending it for a perceived risk (" a very high risk to life" as they said) that it can be used for such purposes (when in reality it is a totally made up BS). This requires a separate post and I'll do it once I get some time and going also to pick a fight with Nominet about it, as it's getting beyond ridiculous. Nanny state at it's worst.
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I sit on UKRAC and am its current Chair. If you can provide me with enough detail, it may result in it being the case that there’s enough for us to produce a paper for discussion about the matter at a forthcoming meeting.
 
invincible said:
I sit on UKRAC and am its current Chair. If you can provide me with enough detail, it may result in it being the case that there’s enough for us to produce a paper for discussion about the matter at a forthcoming meeting.
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If it turns out some are suspended, and I've no reason to doubt it. My money would still be on one of these agencies asking Nominet to run an ID check. They suspend first and then reinstate it after you send in ID.

But, strange things have happened before so we'll see.
 
GreyWing said:
If it turns out some are suspended, and I've no reason to doubt it. My money would still be on one of these agencies asking Nominet to run an ID check. They suspend first and then reinstate it after you send in ID.

But, strange things have happened before so we'll see.
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@dn referred to at least two different sets of circumstances in last post.

The first being ‘for no conceivable reason, except for being ranked for previously discussed gambling queries’ although it could possibly be for ‘fake names’ and he wants to ‘ask the owner’.

We need more information about this.

The second being ‘suspending it for a perceived risk(" a very high risk to life" as they said) that it can be used for such purposes’ and this requires ‘a separate post’.

I am probably not alone in wondering what this refers to as well.
 
invincible said:
The first being ‘for no conceivable reason, except for being ranked for previously discussed gambling queries’ although it could possibly be for ‘fake names’ and he wants to ‘ask the owner’.
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But they don't suspend just because they think it's fake names and addresses. On my name that was suspended, I had to prove I was real and prove I was unlikely to cause harm with the name, whilst that process happens the name stays off. What Nom are trying to do is kick back to these agencies (FCA, Police etc) and say look we've done our part, the person has verified it, now if you want to take action that's up to you.

That's a bit different from suspension because someone put in fake details.

invincible said:
The second being ‘suspending it for a perceived risk(" a very high risk to life" as they said) that it can be used for such purposes’ and this requires ‘a separate post’.
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It's probably DN's "Liverpool" name, it's dangerous :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
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GreyWing said:
It's probably DN's "Liverpool" name, it's dangerous
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I believe Radio.co.uk poses a significant risk and could be in danger of suspension, considering Nominet's logic applied to another domain name (which I will address shortly). A visitor to Radio.co.uk might reasonably expect the website to automatically connect them to their favorite folk radio station. However, there is a concern that the domain owner could instead play songs like "I Don’t Like the Drugs (But the Drugs Like Me)" by Marilyn Manson. This could potentially trigger self-harm, suicidal thoughts, or dangerous substance abuse in some listeners. To prevent such risks and to ensure the domain isn’t impersonating a legitimate radio station, it might be wise to consider a preemptive suspension of the domain.
 
dn said:
Kinda weird the authorities are not blacklisting domains of these casinos (which they can easily do), instead hunting for search results referring to them or for their affiliate pages.
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I agree. Is the appropriate regulator in UK empowered to mandate that Internet Service Providers block illegal gambling sites at network level? In Brazil gambling sites that are not licensed in the country are blocked by Anatel. As a famous example, Paddy Power is not licensed in the country. Also, as of the beginning of this year, licensed gambling sites have had to pay a R$30m application fee and must use a ‘bet.br’ suffixed domain name to indicate they are licensed (the ability to have such a domain name is indicative of having received a licence; it’s a restricted TLD).
 
People trying to cash in on this by listing just about any domain they can find - the scarcity of the domains is what interests these buyers - when they only have a few domains to choose from, price goes up.

Denys/Rob would be smarter to limit the amount people can list and take the cash for themselves :)

The amount of domains listed competing for around 40-50 places in the SERPs seems to be too much
 
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